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Need advice for fiberglass repair on rudder.
13 years 7 months ago #1966
by kenbalen
Need advice for fiberglass repair on rudder. was created by kenbalen
My IP27 rudder has a problem at the bottom. A little history, when I bought the boat the survey found a problem with an old repair done at the bottom of the rudder. This was corrected as part of the sale, or so I thought. The repaired area on the starboard side directly above the keel strap bolt has popped out. When I removed the loose repair which looked like a putty and not fiberglass I found the cavity full of what looked like uncured calk. This actually started to set up as it was exposed to the air. I removed the “calk” and found the area hollow and I can see the top of the bolt threaded in from the strap. The cavity does not extend up into the rudder or forward and back. I also found a crack on the underside on the port side. My question, is this area supposed to be hollow? What would be the suggestions for repair as in to fill the void or just glass over the hole? And if it should be filled what to fill it with. The crack I would think should be cleaned out and repaired, possibly with an epoxy product. As far as I can tell this area is not structural and should not affect the integrity of the rudder. Any advice will be appreciated.
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13 years 7 months ago #1967
by PlumBob
Replied by PlumBob on topic Re: Need advice for fiberglass repair on rudder
Ken I'm going to be very interested in this thread... I've got a little fiberglass work that I want to do in the head. Not a good place for experimentation LOL...
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13 years 7 months ago #1968
by hayden
Hayden Cochran
IP35-165 Island Spirit
IslandSpirit35.blogspot.com
Rock Hall, MD
Replied by hayden on topic Re: Need advice for fiberglass repair on rudder
Ken:
The rudders are made in two clam shell shapes, then glued and fiberglassed together. Then, I understand they fill them with foam. Some have parted in the past, and can be replaced or reordered from the factoy.
Your photos look like you are see into the shells and where the bolt is. If the bolt is solid, then I would think you could just fiberglass the hole closed. The factory is closed for Easter, but I will ask our IPY Maine dealer, Norm, for help here as well.
Hayden
The rudders are made in two clam shell shapes, then glued and fiberglassed together. Then, I understand they fill them with foam. Some have parted in the past, and can be replaced or reordered from the factoy.
Your photos look like you are see into the shells and where the bolt is. If the bolt is solid, then I would think you could just fiberglass the hole closed. The factory is closed for Easter, but I will ask our IPY Maine dealer, Norm, for help here as well.
Hayden
Hayden Cochran
IP35-165 Island Spirit
IslandSpirit35.blogspot.com
Rock Hall, MD
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13 years 7 months ago #1969
by kenbalen
Replied by kenbalen on topic Re: Need advice for fiberglass repair on rudder
Hayden,
Yes that is the bolt. And it appears to be solid; I did not put a wrench on it but will before any repairs are made. The cavity does not extend back into the rudder in any direction but does go across to the fiberglass shell on the other side. The rudder is solid and shows no sign of separating. The hole and crack at the bottom are the only problems I can see. The crack is on the bottom of the cavity and does not extend to any other part of the rudder. When I cleaned out the loose material I was surprised to find that the hole is smooth around the edges and is uniform like it was molded in when rudder was made. I suspect that the crack and the material plugging the hole coming loose could have occurred from water in the void freezing. I did think to just fiberglass the hole closed but then started to question why the hole was there in the first place.
Ken
Yes that is the bolt. And it appears to be solid; I did not put a wrench on it but will before any repairs are made. The cavity does not extend back into the rudder in any direction but does go across to the fiberglass shell on the other side. The rudder is solid and shows no sign of separating. The hole and crack at the bottom are the only problems I can see. The crack is on the bottom of the cavity and does not extend to any other part of the rudder. When I cleaned out the loose material I was surprised to find that the hole is smooth around the edges and is uniform like it was molded in when rudder was made. I suspect that the crack and the material plugging the hole coming loose could have occurred from water in the void freezing. I did think to just fiberglass the hole closed but then started to question why the hole was there in the first place.
Ken
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13 years 7 months ago #1971
by kenbalen
Replied by kenbalen on topic Re: Need advice for fiberglass repair on rudder
Spoke with Karsten at the factory today and this cavity is not factory and is probably the result of some past repair. As long as the bolt and attachment point is secure the suggestion is to fiberglass the hole closed and not worry about it.
Ken
Ken
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13 years 7 months ago #1972
by hayden
Hayden Cochran
IP35-165 Island Spirit
IslandSpirit35.blogspot.com
Rock Hall, MD
Replied by hayden on topic Re: Need advice for fiberglass repair on rudder
Looks to me like the hole is a PLANNED hole so you can get a wrench on it when you need to take the rudder off. I would ask more questions of people more involved with the BUILDING of your boat that were there when your boat was made.
Hayden
Hayden
Hayden Cochran
IP35-165 Island Spirit
IslandSpirit35.blogspot.com
Rock Hall, MD
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